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Evolutionists: Nothing did it
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gabriel
2010-02-19 00:34:57 UTC
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Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following, while condemning the truth that God did it. They'd
rather believe nothing can create everything, rather than the
logically undeniable that the handiwork of God's design is
everywhere.

What created life?
What created matter and energy?
What created the supposed big bang?
What created that which created the supposed big bang? (and so
on)
How could a single cell be created when it relies on many parts
to all be functioning in order for a cell to live at all? One
breaks they all break - irreducible complexity.
What created the order and logic to the universe if it supposedly
"just happened"?
What created the laws of nature?
What created organisms that single cells could now start building
using instructions in DNA?
What created DNA?
What created the ability for DNA to be decoded and acted upon?
Which came first? DNA or the ability for it to be decoded and
acted upon? (We know computers came before actual
instructions).
What created the ability for cells to build organisms from the
instructions in its DNA that now countless cells would live
in?
What created the ability to copy DNA instructions so that they
could be passed on rather than lost forever?
What created the chicken if it comes from an egg?
What created the egg if it comes from a chicken?
What created sexual reproduction?
What created the countless miracles necessary for life here to
even be possible come about?
What created gravity?
What created just the right gravity?
What created just the right distance from the sun?
What created just the right temperature?
What created the ability for water to be moved by clouds to keep
various life and vegetation alive?
What created the ability
What created the ozone that protects us from the deadly
ultraviolet rays?
What created oxygen?
What created the ability (photosynthesis) for oxygen to be
created?
What then created our ability to live by breathing oxygen (just
more miraculous coincidences that "just happened," and that
"nothing did it" when asked how it got created)?
What created water?
What created our ability to live by drinking water?

The answer according to evolutionists: "nothing did it."

This is but a sampling of the insane countless coincidences that
come together to make life even possible. And evolutionists will
deny God and say "nothing did it" and "it just happened" (same
thing).

You'd have better luck on the coincidence that
you'd win the powerball every day your entire life than all these
necessary miracles would ever "just happen," let alone that
"nothing did it".


For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from
faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by
faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold
[suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that
which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God
hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being
understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not
as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
Romans 1:17-22


The wrath of God abides on all those who suppress the truth of
the glory of God and His creation - evolutionists suppress the
truth and glory of God by teaching fish once upon a time evolved
over generations eventually into people. More bizarre than any
mythology or science fiction ever written.
Zadok
2010-02-19 01:14:59 UTC
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Post by gabriel
Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following, while condemning the truth that God did it. They'd
rather believe nothing can create everything, rather than the
logically undeniable that the handiwork of God's design is
everywhere.
While creationists want to claim "Nothing did it"

What created God??

Why won't creationists answer that question??
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
2010-02-19 04:24:14 UTC
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Post by gabriel
Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following, while condemning the truth that God did it. They'd
rather believe nothing can create everything, rather than the
logically undeniable that the handiwork of God's design is
everywhere.
[...]
Evolutionists do not operate in the manner you
iterate. As for God postulations, that's a league
played in by religionists, with many disparate
versions of Gods in play.
Post by gabriel
[...] The wrath of God [...]
Religionists have many disparate versions of Gods,
some which are full of wrath, others loving, others
supposedly playing both tunes, depending on what
mood it's in.

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omprem
2010-02-19 15:52:12 UTC
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On Feb 18, 11:24 pm, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Post by gabriel
Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following, while condemning the truth that God did it. They'd
rather believe nothing can create everything, rather than the
logically undeniable that the handiwork of God's design is
everywhere.
[...]
Evolutionists do not operate in the manner you
iterate. As for God postulations, that's a league
played in by religionists, with many disparate
versions of Gods in play.
Post by gabriel
[...] The wrath of God [...]
Religionists have many disparate versions of Gods,
some which are full of wrath, others loving, others
supposedly playing both tunes, depending on what
mood it's in.
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(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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You failed to address the issue and attempted to change the subject to
accommodate your biases.

But, alas, when you claim "Religionists have many disparate versions
of Gods" you make several fundamental errors. First, God is not an
individual. Second, a particular 'god' may be a personification of an
aspect of God. Finally, God is One but the Wise know God by many names
and forms and in many ways.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
2010-02-19 16:26:59 UTC
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[...] But, alas, when you claim "Religionists have many disparate versions
of Gods" you make several fundamental errors. First, God is not an
individual.
Assertion.
Second, a particular 'god' may be a personification of an
aspect of God.
Not an individual, but may be "personification" of the One God?
Sounds like you're averse to following the claims in the christian
bible which say you're not supposed to put any Gods before
your own. Are you asserting it's OK to put any Gods along-
side your own, so long as they or it are perceived as part of
the supposed One God? Can you cite a biblical verse sup-
porting that position?
Finally, God is One but the Wise know God by many names
and forms and in many ways.
So, are you saying that many Muslims & Jews & Hindus &
all the others who have a God idea, as if their God exists,
"know God"? Would you go so far as to assert that chris-
tians who say you have to believe that Jesus came to earth,
died for human sins, and lives forever alongside his dad in
heaven after rising from the dead, that those folks will share
heaven with a wide array of those who believe in other Gods,
or as you might put it, other aspects and other names for
your One God, whether they believe in your version of Jesus
or not?

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Expressive Liberty, Openness,
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omprem
2010-02-19 19:00:59 UTC
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On Feb 19, 11:26 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
[...] But, alas, when you claim "Religionists have many disparate versions
of Gods" you make several fundamental errors. First, God is not an
individual.
FL: Assertion.

Omprem: Not at all. Religions commonly say that God is One, Unity,
beyond space and time, Omnipresent. An individual cannot be those
things. You need to understand the views of the religions that you
argue against. Currently, you misunderstand religions and then argue
against that misunderstanding. In effect, you are like a dog chasing
its own tail. Amusing for a moment but not of lasting value.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Second, a particular 'god' may be a personification of an
aspect of God.
FL: " Not an individual, but may be "personification" of the One God?"

Omprem: Now you are getting it. It is a way of focusing on an aspect
of God because the Whole of God is beyond the worshipper for the
moment.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Sounds like you're averse to following the claims in the christian
bible which say you're not supposed to put any Gods before
your own. Are you asserting it's OK to put any Gods along-
side your own, so long as they or it are perceived as part of
the supposed One God? Can you cite a biblical verse sup-
porting that position?
Omprem: You have just attempted to chang the topic by imputing
something to me that I did not state.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Finally, God is One but the Wise know God by many names
and forms and in many ways.
FL: " So, are you saying that many Muslims & Jews & Hindus &
all the others who have a God idea, as if their God exists,
"know God"?"

Omprem: Poor sentence construction. The meaning is obscure. But if
you are asking if the Brahman of the Hindus is the same the God of the
Christians or Jews or the Allah of the Muslims, then the answer is,
"Yes".


Would you go so far as to assert that chris-
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
tians who say you have to believe that Jesus came to earth,
died for human sins, and lives forever alongside his dad in
heaven after rising from the dead, that those folks will share
heaven with a wide array of those who believe in other Gods,
or as you might put it, other aspects and other names for
your One God, whether they believe in your version of Jesus
or not?
Omprem: Again very awkward sentence construction. Take a deep breath.
Actually think what it is you want to say or ask and try again.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Barry OGrady
2010-03-13 01:34:20 UTC
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Post by gabriel
Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following, while condemning the truth that God did it. They'd
rather believe nothing can create everything, rather than the
logically undeniable that the handiwork of God's design is
everywhere.
What created life?
What created matter and energy?
What created the supposed big bang?
What created that which created the supposed big bang? (and so
on)
How could a single cell be created when it relies on many parts
to all be functioning in order for a cell to live at all? One
breaks they all break - irreducible complexity.
What created the order and logic to the universe if it supposedly
"just happened"?
What created the laws of nature?
What created organisms that single cells could now start building
using instructions in DNA?
What created DNA?
What created the ability for DNA to be decoded and acted upon?
Which came first? DNA or the ability for it to be decoded and
acted upon? (We know computers came before actual
instructions).
What created the ability for cells to build organisms from the
instructions in its DNA that now countless cells would live
in?
What created the ability to copy DNA instructions so that they
could be passed on rather than lost forever?
What created the chicken if it comes from an egg?
What created the egg if it comes from a chicken?
What created sexual reproduction?
What created the countless miracles necessary for life here to
even be possible come about?
What created gravity?
What created just the right gravity?
What created just the right distance from the sun?
What created just the right temperature?
What created the ability for water to be moved by clouds to keep
various life and vegetation alive?
What created the ability
What created the ozone that protects us from the deadly
ultraviolet rays?
What created oxygen?
What created the ability (photosynthesis) for oxygen to be
created?
What then created our ability to live by breathing oxygen (just
more miraculous coincidences that "just happened," and that
"nothing did it" when asked how it got created)?
What created water?
What created our ability to live by drinking water?
The answer according to evolutionists: "nothing did it."
This is but a sampling of the insane countless coincidences that
come together to make life even possible. And evolutionists will
deny God and say "nothing did it" and "it just happened" (same
thing).
You'd have better luck on the coincidence that
you'd win the powerball every day your entire life than all these
necessary miracles would ever "just happen," let alone that
"nothing did it".
What made God and gave it magical powers?

Barry
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Juan M
2010-03-15 00:34:25 UTC
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Who created typhoid, malaria, smallpox, AIDS and Hitler?
sweepingchanges
2010-03-15 02:51:17 UTC
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Post by Juan M
Who created typhoid, malaria, smallpox, AIDS and Hitler?
Who put the bop in the bop shoo bop shoo bop?
gabriel
2010-03-27 21:46:46 UTC
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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 12:34:20 +1100, Barry OGrady
Post by Barry OGrady
Post by gabriel
Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following, while condemning the truth that God did it. They'd
rather believe nothing can create everything, rather than the
logically undeniable that the handiwork of God's design is
everywhere.
What created life?
What created matter and energy?
What created the supposed big bang?
What created that which created the supposed big bang? (and so
on)
How could a single cell be created when it relies on many parts
to all be functioning in order for a cell to live at all? One
breaks they all break - irreducible complexity.
What created the order and logic to the universe if it supposedly
"just happened"?
What created the laws of nature?
What created organisms that single cells could now start building
using instructions in DNA?
What created DNA?
What created the ability for DNA to be decoded and acted upon?
Which came first? DNA or the ability for it to be decoded and
acted upon? (We know computers came before actual
instructions).
What created the ability for cells to build organisms from the
instructions in its DNA that now countless cells would live
in?
What created the ability to copy DNA instructions so that they
could be passed on rather than lost forever?
What created the chicken if it comes from an egg?
What created the egg if it comes from a chicken?
What created sexual reproduction?
What created the countless miracles necessary for life here to
even be possible come about?
What created gravity?
What created just the right gravity?
What created just the right distance from the sun?
What created just the right temperature?
What created the ability for water to be moved by clouds to keep
various life and vegetation alive?
What created the ability
What created the ozone that protects us from the deadly
ultraviolet rays?
What created oxygen?
What created the ability (photosynthesis) for oxygen to be
created?
What then created our ability to live by breathing oxygen (just
more miraculous coincidences that "just happened," and that
"nothing did it" when asked how it got created)?
What created water?
What created our ability to live by drinking water?
The answer according to evolutionists: "nothing did it."
This is but a sampling of the insane countless coincidences that
come together to make life even possible. And evolutionists will
deny God and say "nothing did it" and "it just happened" (same
thing).
You'd have better luck on the coincidence that
you'd win the powerball every day your entire life than all these
necessary miracles would ever "just happen," let alone that
"nothing did it".
What made God and gave it magical powers?
God is eternal and always existed. He was not created.

A Prayer of Moses the man of God.
Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all
generations.
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou
hadst formed the earth and the world, even from
everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
Psalms 90:1-2

Before you claim everything has a creator, you violate that rule
by believing nothing created life or matter or energy.
Before you claim it's not possible that God is eternal, then
again point back to those who claim either matter always existed,
or to get around that, claim it was created "by nothing."
The very things evolutionists try to use to reject God being
eternal are the very same things they fall back on when asked
what created all life, matter and energy and their big bang.

sweepingchanges
2010-03-15 02:50:18 UTC
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Post by gabriel
Evolutionists want to claim "nothing did it" to all the
following
Really? Care to provide even one documented case of an "evolutionist"
claiming exactly what you've stated they claim? That "nothing" is
responsible for any of the phenomena you've sited?

I.e. back up your assertions with something resembling fact?

Couldn't be that you're just another slobbering religious nutter
talking out their taterhole could it?

Oh, you mean they don't believe that some ambiguous entity that you
can't define - i.e. the star of the son/father/resurrected carpenter
zombie sockpuppet saga did it.
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