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Java Man Just Got Older - more proof dating methods are broken
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gabriel
2010-05-17 22:50:11 UTC
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Their dating methods: whatever contrived date works best with
their assumptions of fish to man evolution.


Romans 1:16-23
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is
the power of God unto salvation to every one that
believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For
therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith
to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by
faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who
hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which
may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath
shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being
understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not
as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And
changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image
made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and
fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.



http://www.icr.org/article/5463/

Java Man Just Got Older
by Brian Thomas, M.S. *
Java Man was the name given to fossilized remains discovered in
Indonesia over a century ago. Subsequently defined by
evolutionists as Homo erectus, an extinct hominid, its placement
in human evolutionary history has mystified evolutionary
anthropologists.

New research is causing even more problems surrounding H.
erectus. The Java remains were dated in 1996 at around 30,000
years old. But that figure may have been off by 500,000 years.

At the time, the younger age required a rewrite of human
evolution, since it meant that H. erectus co-existed with humans
for thousands of years instead of having lived prior to and in
transition toward modern man. The age of 50,000 to 30,000 years
was determined by measuring "radioactive elements in the
fossil-bearing sediment," according to ScienceNews.1

The updated age of roughly 550,000 years--derived from its
geological context--is eighteen times older than the first. The
new analysis was presented April 14, 2010, at the annual meeting
of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists. The
researchers had sampled radioactive argon from the rocks above
and below where the remains were found, and in that way came up
with the new age.

Susan Antón of New York University indicated to ScienceNews that
it's not clear why these estimates differ so dramatically.1 It
could be that one or more of the assumptions upon which they
depend are faulty. Without eyewitness reports to rely on, age
estimates of earth's artifacts have to be based on the assumption
that the natural processes on which the time measurement is based
have operated at the same rate throughout earth's history.

The measurements of relative amounts of pre- and post- decayed
materials can be precise, but if an incorrect assumption is used
to interpret that data, the conclusions reached are invalid.

The question of when H. erectus actually lived isn't the first
case of problematic "ages" related to argon. The lava dome that
formed on Mount St. Helens in 1986 was dated in 1996 at 350,000
years old using the same method!2

Grand Canyon rocks were used to directly test the assumptions
required for standard geological radioisotope dating methods. The
results showed that in fact the assumption of a constant rate of
decay was at fault.3 As another example, irreconcilably different
"ages" were obtained using standard laboratory dating techniques
for the Grand Canyon's Brahma schist rock layer, ranging from 1.2
to 1.8 billion years--a 600-million-year difference.4

Something in the past has definitely tampered with the rates of
radiodecay clocks. And the vacillating ages of the Java Man
remains show yet again that radioisotope clocks are not reliable
age indicators.

References

1.Bower, B. 'Java Man' takes age to extremes. ScienceNews. Posted
on sciencenews.org April 16, 2010, accessed May 7, 2010.
2.Austin, S. A. 1996. Excess Argon within Mineral Concentrates
from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mount St. Helens Volcano.
Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal. 10 (3): 335-343.
3.Austin, S. A. 2005. Do Radioisotope Clocks Need Repair? Testing
the Assumptions of Isochron Dating Using K-Ar, Rb-Sr, Sm-Nd, and
Pb-Pb Isotopes. In Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth:
Results of a Young-Earth Creationist Research Initiative, Vol. 2.
Vardiman, L., A. Snelling and E. Chaffin, eds. El Cajon, CA:
Institute for Creation Research and Chino Valley, AZ: Creation
Research Society, 325- 392.
4.Snelling, A. A. 2004. Radioisotope Dating of Grand Canyon
Rocks: Another Devastating Failure for Long-Age Geology. Acts &
Facts. 33 (10).
pongespob
2010-05-31 06:35:14 UTC
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Post by gabriel
Their dating methods: whatever contrived date works best with
their assumptions of fish to man evolution.
Yes, scientists are constantly refining their methodology, re-
examining previously held notions, unlike religion which holds that
nonsensical, ambiguous, self-contradicting ancient texts written by
ignorant, superstitious people can never be questioned and must be
regarded as immutable truths.....even if it can't even be agreed upon
exactly what the proper translation of the texts are - or which legend
or sub-variation thereof is the correct, one true legend. We'll just
self-righteously slaughter each other in the name of our particular
legend to sort things out, simple enough.

Certainly the sado-masochistic legend of the zombie Jew carpenter who
is his own father who had himself killed to somehow fix the people he
created and somehow ties in to ladies turning into pillars of salt and
the impossible logistics of a pair of all the animals of the world
fitting on one boat to survive a flood involving more water than
exists on Earth all stemming from the incestuous origins of mankind
from two people one of whom was the result of a cloning experiment of
course makes much more sense than evolution.

Clearly.
pongespob
2010-05-31 06:38:00 UTC
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Post by pongespob
one of whom was the result of a cloning experiment
I should say, a cross-gender cloning experiment.

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